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Shaq_gw · Aug 23, 2007, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Operative 14

I don't really feel bad about abandoning Ascalon becuase what we did as heros was the most logical course of action given the circumstances. Honestly, how many of you looked at the missions and quests in Ascalon and thought "Yeah, I think this is a war Ascalon can win."

That is exactly the point i tried to make that many ppl seem to miss in this thread.

We left ascalon because we thought the war was lost.

WE WERE WRONG.

The ones we left are still out there fighting and dying, and now we come back the hero's that we are, but like i said before when we left we did not know we would become hero's, we were running away from danger.

The fact that we saved the world a few times makes it easier to go back and say .... hi, we're back

However how much of the mayhem that was bestowed on the world was our own doing?

Man i am getting totally confuzzled

My Sweet Revenga · Aug 23, 2007, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by Shaq_gw

Reading in the manual for GW:EN that King Adelbern is still, but barely, holding out against the charr invasion i feel like i deserted them and that Rurik was not a great leader but a pessimistic fool

How do we face the families that have lost their loved ones while we were running away from the threat, cowards that we were.

Ok we ran into new threats and we beat them, making entire continents think we are hero's but ........ we should know better.

Well, as Ascalonian heroes we set out to help defeat Lich, Shiro, Abaddon.... and made plenty of high levelled allies along the way. Guess what, it's time to collect. It's time for ascalonians to come home with the entire Krytan, Canthan, Kuzick, Luxon, Istan, Kournan, and Vabbian armies and mop the floor with charr blood.

And for crying out loud we have 1000+ minutes of favor with the gods!!!! How can we possibly lose to a bunch of furry chewbacca wannabes....

Hobbs · Aug 23, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Perhaps, we were little more than civilians when we were in Ascalon, we'd had some training but it was kinda disrupted as we were quickly thrown into a warzone after joining the Academy. Then maybe we were roused by Rurik's words in Nolani about a weak king and following him to a new life in Kryta. Though it turned out getting to Kryta was harder than expected and we had to take up arms against the Stone Summit and White Mantle. Shakespeare once said "Be not afraid of greatness; some are born great, some achieve greatness, and others have greatness thrust upon them." Perhaps we fell into the last group and we weren't "heroes" when we left Ascalon but the hardships and challenges we met on the road to Kryta shaped us into the heroes we became.

I'm quite enjoying this discussion, nice to look back and speculate on how our characters lives could have been.

Taki · Aug 23, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

It's been over two years but if memory serves me right, weren't you part of Ruriks royal guard or w/e by the time he was banished? You then fought with him and led the refugees that wanted to leave the assault behind, slaughtering charr every other step. Surely all the charr you killed on our journey must have helped out Ascalon a bit, not to mention the lives you must have saved.

Alas, Rurik pulled a G-Dub and got himself wiped out by a midget. But you, as his loyal forces or w/e, carried out the mission like any soldier worth his salt would do. Only to get caught up in the Kryta/Mantle/Shinging blade mess so that the Ascalon refugees can have some civil living conditions. This same mess eventually leads you into the crystal desert where you seek the knowledge and power to stop being a noob and save the same people who helped you out earlier, oh, and to put those murdering white mantle bastards to rest too. After all, Ascalon refugees could make good 'Chosen' as well.

Which leads us to...

Mursaat behind the mantle, making them kill innocents so we take them out.
Oops, Musaat really just wanted to stop titan release so we kill titans.
Story takes an intermission and GW: Factions is released.
You, in your newfound Hero status, save Cantha.
Nightfall cometh.
Doing what Heroes do best, you save Elona/The World.

Now, back to business. With no more innocent 'Chosen' being murdered, no titans running around destroying everything and everyone, our fellow Ascalonians can live in relative peace in Kryta and we get to go back to Ascalon to drive those hairy, stinkin', dirty charr out of the city for good.

Queue Hero music.

Shaq_gw · Aug 23, 2007, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by My Sweet Revenga

Well, as Ascalonian heroes we set out to help defeat Lich, Shiro, Abaddon.... and made plenty of high levelled allies along the way. Guess what, it's time to collect. It's time for ascalonians to come home with the entire Krytan, Canthan, Kuzick, Luxon, Istan, Kournan, and Vabbian armies and mop the floor with charr blood.

And for crying out loud we have 1000+ minutes of favor with the gods!!!! How can we possibly lose to a bunch of furry chewbacca wannabes....

You certainly throw a mean pep-talk.

This should help recover morale for yet another big fight

Takeko Nakano · Aug 23, 2007, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by Shaq_gw

Reading in the manual for GW:EN that King Adelbern is still, but barely, holding out against the charr invasion i feel like i deserted them and that Rurik was not a great leader but a pessimistic fool

How do we face the families that have lost their loved ones while we were running away from the threat, cowards that we were.

Ok we ran into new threats and we beat them, making entire continents think we are hero's but ........ we should know better.

Very thoughtful. I know that I had fun vanquishing the Lich, but a part of me wanted to stay behind and give the charr invaders a good kicking! It felt so unfair that I had to move on and not protect Ascalon!!

In comparison going through Tyria seemed an easy feat. I wanted to be on the front lines keeping back the horde! Still hopefully GW:EN will give us a little compensation by being able to go behind the charr lines.

Omega X · Aug 23, 2007, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by Operative 14

I believe that the deal was that he was a good person originally, and was trying to save Orr. But the spell that he used to defeat the Charr army bearing down on him was so powerful it corrupted him, making him power hungry and evil. And it also destroyed Orr which was bad.

IT was my understanding that Vizier was manipulated just like Shiro was to do the wrong thing. However I think that when the deed was done, Abaddon turned him into the Lich after he died along with the rest of Orr.

Wings of Fury · Aug 23, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Hero's ? Lmao, where a deathsquad on the move vanquishing everything thats red lol where a bunch of killingmachine's and you can hire us for free.Just point us in the right direction and we murder and loot the place

Nevin · Aug 23, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12

The titan quests lead you to come back to Ascalon, maybe its a link?

Dr Strangelove · Aug 23, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Sheesh, Rurik only has 15% DP from the one death, I don't get what his problem was anyway.

Gregslot · Aug 23, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

Well what i like about this game is that both sides "good" and "evil" have their reasons to do what they did/are doing.
We all know our side, now lets take a look at the other side of the wall.

Chapter 1:
Ascalon used to be the Charr's home, we got there, killed most of them and kicked them from there and now they fight a battle to get their lands back, wich would be just normal.
Shiverpeaks was breaking apart in a civil war and we decided to help one side just beacause we liked them.
The mursaat were trying to find the responsables for the future opening of the door of Komale, wich would lead to their eventual destruction and the same goes for the whole world, we got there, killed them all and opened the damn door. When we saw what we done we went like "holy shit! we are the bad guys!" and we tryed to fix it becasuse we obviously screwed things up. And by the way, the lich used us because we were te only ones who could deafeat the mursaat

Chapter 2:
Ok, i have to admit that Shiro overeacted. But at the end all he was trying to get his revange, but killing a lot of people was very selfish of his part. At his point of view, the emperor himself betrayed Shiro, so he wanted to kill the emperor and get back. Its a shame Abbadon used him u.u
Urgoz got very andry becasue the humans screwed up his forest and we killed him and his followers.
Kanaxai was a half-god demon, he is the only true evil in all Guild Wars, good thing we put him back to sleep for good

Chapter 3:
This one is kind of sad, specially for the margonites.
From what i know, the margonites used to live at the Crystal Desert and worshiped Abbadon, because it was their god and all. But one day Abbadon started to think differently from the other gods and they had a 5 on 1 struggle . Well, we all know he didnt stood a chance against them all. They opened a hole in the ground, shoved Abbadon in it and the margonites along with him.
I dont know about you, but i wouldnt want to go to the Realm of Torment just because the other gods didint liked ours... i mean... wtf?
Obviously Abbadon didnt liked the idea either. The margonites wanted and tryed to get back to their home, and then what happened? We killed most of them, we DESTROYED their gods and put another one WE wanted. Not beeing enough, we went to their "new" home and killed them all and everyone that our new god didint liked, including Dhuum's followers that also didint wanted to be there.
Now take a look at the big picture! Holy shit! We are BAD!

Dhuum:
Dhuum was the old god of death! Grenth came to him and said "I dont like you, i will kill you and take your place" Dhuum said "Bring it on niggaz!"
Well, Grenth killed Dhuum and shoved all his followers at the Real of Torment, just like they did with the margonites.

There isnt a right side at this, there is OUR side and THEIR side!

ShadowbaneX · Aug 23, 2007, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by Shaq_gw

That is exactly the point i tried to make that many ppl seem to miss in this thread.

We left ascalon because we thought the war was lost.

WE WERE WRONG.

The ones we left are still out there fighting and dying, and now we come back the hero's that we are, but like i said before when we left we did not know we would become hero's, we were running away from danger.

The fact that we saved the world a few times makes it easier to go back and say .... hi, we're back

However how much of the mayhem that was bestowed on the world was our own doing?

Man i am getting totally confuzzled

Actually, we weren't wrong. Flameseeker Prophecies and all that. We were destined to leave Ascalon and in doing so, lead to it's ultimate salvation. We kicked the Lich's ass, we kicked the Titans asses and in doing so gave some freedom from the Charr and their Shamans. If we had just stayed behind, they would have eventually overwhelmed Ascalon killing everyone. It's only by leaving that Ascalon managed to survive.

geriand · Aug 23, 2007, 09:20 PM // 21:20

hmm I see your points and agree with most of them.
However think the Flameseeker Prophecies are a Prophecy. We couldn't change anything that happened in them. They fortold that the Chosen would destroy the mursatt. On the point about the Krytan Chosen, of course they sucked they hadn't recieved any training had they! The Mursatt acted to save their race by sacrificing the chosen. Not only did it remove the threat but it held their greatest enemy back, the Titans. The Lich read these prophecies and saw that he needed the chosen to realease the titans. He doesn't give a damn about the mursatt he just wanted an army. He however probabaly skimmed over them and didn't see the prediction that once these titans had been released that the chosen who aided the poweful lord would turn against him. It wasn't us who chose to leave Ascalon. It was decided by destiny thousands of years ago when Glint forsaw these events. Everything we did in the prophecies campaign was forsaw by Glint and all she did was nudge us along a bit

ChaoticCoyote · Aug 23, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by Shaq_gw

Reading in the manual for GW:EN that King Adelbern is still, but barely, holding out against the charr invasion i feel like i deserted them and that Rurik was not a great leader but a pessimistic fool

How do we face the families that have lost their loved ones while we were running away from the threat, cowards that we were.

Ok we ran into new threats and we beat them, making entire continents think we are hero's but ........ we should know better.

Those of us who did the Titan quests certainly did not abandon Ascalon. When the King called, we went and fought the Titans at his side.

And I certainly know my Ascalonian necro still defends the homelands, even if she did travel far and wide to end a greater evil.

Div · Aug 23, 2007, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Rurik was always a fool. He was only ever useful back in presearing...

MithranArkanere · Aug 23, 2007, 10:34 PM // 22:34

That's why we had to go with him.
To babysit.

Otherwise he and the other poor ascalon refugees would be dead meant and giant beast feed.

Solas · Aug 23, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45

it was forseen by glint that heros would save the world in the flameseeker prophicies,

hence it was destined to be that way so the humans win by default, since glint forsaw it. so we could not have done it any other way, (again destined to do so by the prophecy)

Darish · Aug 24, 2007, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by Talach_Ninneed

it was forseen by glint that heros would save the world in the flameseeker prophicies,

hence it was destined to be that way so the humans win by default, since glint forsaw it. so we could not have done it any other way, (again destined to do so by the prophecy)

But this raises the issue of whether the prophecies had too come true. Are they destined to come true, or do we do as they say because we think they have to come true? If it's the second case, then the prophecies aren't a garuanteed outcome, we just think they are.

placebo overdose · Aug 24, 2007, 12:37 AM // 00:37

the game said im a hero so im a hero and im not gonna listen LALALALA(this is a joke i respect your opinion and agree you have a very valid point)

HKSdivision · Aug 24, 2007, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by Etta

You have to look at the bigger picture. It's not about making thing right, its about making the right thing. Save the mesmer, save Tyria.

hahaha! Yes! Save the Memser, save Tyria!

Sorry I just had to say that